Data Dilemma: Making sense of conflicting economic indicators

In the world of finance and economics, staying abreast of market trends and their impact on businesses is crucial. As the economic landscape continues to evolve, it is essential to understand the forces at play, including interest rates and their consequences for various sectors. In this article, we will share the conversation from our recent interview for Lunch Money with Warren Hogan, the economic advisor to Judo Bank and one of Australia’s leading economic commentators.

Interest Rates and Their Ramifications

The recent surge in the U.S. 10-year bond rate raises questions about the future trajectory of interest rates globally. Rising interest rates pose many challenges for businesses, particularly small businesses that may struggle to navigate increased borrowing costs. This issue is further compounded by the pressure on Australian businesses due to a significant decline in the Aussie dollar. On the flip side, the influence of falling exchange rates can also have potential benefits for Australian businesses.

Are interest rate predictions by major banks and the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) influencing economic behaviour and controlling inflation? A discussion around the shifting leadership in the RBA and timing of interest rate decisions, and how they will impact the economy.

The Wage Growth and the Labour Market

Wage growth is currently sluggish in Australia, despite a seemingly tight labour market and heightened demand for skilled workers. This is attributed to various factors, including fixed-price contracts that restrict the flexibility of wage negotiations and labour market regulations. As a result, middle and low-income earners find themselves stuck with nominal wage increases that fail to keep pace with rising living costs.

The dynamics of the labour market is another factor. Australians are risk-averse and often won’t change jobs, even if they are faced with a better opportunity. This is further attributed to the stagnant wage growth.

A surge in population growth driven by immigration has led to increased job vacancies and demand for labour. The interplay between immigration, job opportunities, and housing demands comes to the forefront, with the prospect of a surge in construction activities to accommodate the growing population.

The unemployment rate is also an economic indicator, we discussed its relationship with broader economic health.

Potential for Business Insolvencies

Government support and low-interest rates during the pandemic have potentially led to a delayed reckoning for struggling businesses, resulting in an increase in insolvencies now. It is important that businesses continue to adapt to changing conditions.

Unpacking Consumer Spending Trends

Consumer spending is a cornerstone of economic activity. A key observation is the surge in spending levels post-pandemic, driven by stimulus measures and direct payments. This is also shown in retail trends. Major retailers are reporting declining sales, ultimately shaping broader economic narratives.

Inflation and Business Dynamics

Inflation is a critical metric used in economic decisions. We discussed the perceptions around the rising cost of living and reflected on historical economic pitfalls, such as that in the 1970s when inflation spiralled out of control. Inflationary pressures impact consumer behaviour and investment decisions.


In a rapidly evolving economic landscape, understanding the intricacies of interest rates, wage growth, and labour market dynamics is vital for businesses, households, and policymakers.. As businesses and individuals navigate these complexities, adapting strategies to align with changing economic conditions becomes imperative.


Video Summary

00:00 Introduction to Lunch Money podcast, hosted by Nick Samios, fund manager at Hermes Capital, discussing special economic situations and news. –

04:20 Labour turnover in Australia is low due to job stability and risk aversion, potentially impacting wage growth. UK and US have more flexible labour markets leading to higher wages. –

08:35 Interest rate environment misread by major banks; RBA’s predictions and actions criticised. Nominal rate increases have been the focus, but real interest rates need more attention for economic stability. –

12:44 Global interest rate disparities: Australia’s rates are lower than other economies with similar inflation. RBA’s approach of minimal rate hikes and focus on a narrow path risks economic stability. –

16:44 Global economic outlook: Mild downturn anticipated, inflation is a major concern. European economies prioritise reducing inflation despite short-term recession risk. China faces challenges in a shifting economy. –

20:45 Australian economic trends: Population growth surging due to immigration, strong demand for labour, and potential positive impact on the construction sector. Retail spending trends show resilience despite minor declines. –

24:49 Inflation vs. Consumer Experience: Inflation figures reflect a basket of goods, including less frequent purchases. Essential items have experienced higher inflation than the overall Consumer Price Index, creating a perception gap. –

31:05 Economic Outlook and Rate Decision: Despite softer employment and wage numbers, raising rates once more to address inflation remains a consideration. The upcoming inflation figure will be crucial in informing future decisions. –

37:13 Unemployment Indicator Complexity: Unemployment numbers can be influenced by population growth and are not always a direct sign of economic trouble. Other indicators, including inflation, remain crucial. –

43:27 Interest Rates and Economic Resilience: Interest rates being too low for an extended period might hinder productivity growth and create a less robust economy. The undervaluation of time due to low rates can lead to intergenerational equity issues.


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